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Titre: Le commandant Turner se lâche
Posté par: Nemo492 le 15 septembre 2008 à 15:16:51
Le News Scotsman ( vient de sortir une affaire embarrassante pour le Ministère de la Défense britannique :
"Un officier de la RAF (Royal Air Force) rompt le silence après 37 ans". Un article de Marc Horne.

Il a maintenant sa page sur Ovnis-USA (


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Titre: Re : Le commandant Turner se lâche
Posté par: zek le 15 septembre 2008 à 18:38:40
Le MoD contrôle surement, c'est la suite des dossiers déclassifiés.
Titre: Re : Le commandant Turner se lâche
Posté par: dificultnspa le 15 septembre 2008 à 18:41:47

Hé hé ca me dit quelque chose tout ca...

Ne serait ca pas ce que j'avais mis ici :

Il manque juste l'article en italien :

Titre: Re : Le commandant Turner se lâche
Posté par: Nemo492 le 15 septembre 2008 à 19:46:22
Mais oui dificultnspa, c'est confirmé,
c'était bien dans ta revue de presse du 13 septembre !
Maintenant il va pouvoir circuler en français.
Titre: Re : Le commandant Turner se lâche
Posté par: dificultnspa le 17 septembre 2008 à 10:55:15

Encore un article :

Shropshirestar ( du 16/09/08

Ex-RAF man breaks his UFO silence

A retired RAF officer from Shrewsbury who claims he was silenced by military top brass after tracking six UFOs on a radar is to speak for the first time on the matter.

Former Wing Commander Alan Turner MBE says he was warned not to speak to anyone following an incident witnessed by four civil and six military controllers.

He will be the keynote speaker at the International UFO Conference at Pontefract, West Yorkshire, next month.

Mr Turner was 25 when he joined the RAF as an Air Traffic Controller in 1966 and he finished his career in 1995 with the rank of Wing Commander.

He was awarded the MBE in 1984 and now lives in retirement in Shrewsbury.

“UFOs are a fact and I don’t care who knows because I tracked six of them on several military units during my time in the Royal Air Force,” he said.

Mr Turner said of his experience: “Within a couple of days I was interviewed in the squadron leader’s office by two men who were not identified to me. I, along with all the others in the operations room on the day in question, were told in no uncertain terms not to talk about this incident until cleared to do so.

“I am at a loss to explain what I, and many other people saw that day on radar.”

Mr Turner has never spoken publicly about the events before.
Titre: Re : Le commandant Turner se lâche
Posté par: dificultnspa le 21 septembre 2008 à 15:34:07
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By Philip Mantle

At the UFO DATA conference in October 2007 I met up with veteran UFO investigator David Beezer. I´ve known David for many years and he has regularly attended many of our public events. David wanted me to read a report he had received from a for RAF officer but on the day I simply did not have the time. David made me a copy of the report in question and I read it a day or two after the conference had finished.

The report came from a Mr. Alan Turner MBE and concerned a UFO observed on radar at RAF Sopley in the summer of l971. I subsequently contact Mr. Turner and have his permission to document the following. His report is published in full.

Alan Turner was aged twenty-five when he joined the Royal Air Force in l966 and was commissioned that year as an Air Traffic Control Officer. RAF Sopley was a wartime bunker, which had been converted into a joint military/civilian Air Traffic Control Radar Unit (ATCRU): it closed in l974 when both the civil and military ATC functions were transferred to West Drayton.

Alan Turner remained in the RAF eventually to command the Central ATC School from 1990 to 1992. In July 1995 he was discharged from the RAF in the rank of Wing Commander.

This is Wing Commanders Turner´s account of what he personally observed at RAF Sopley in the summer of l971 in full:

In the summer of 1971 I was the Duty Military Supervisor at RAF Sopley, which was a joint military/civil Air Traffic Control Radar Unit (ATCRU). It was a Tuesday afternoon but I cannot remember the exact date. The Duty Civil Supervisor drew my attention to a situation on radar the likes of which neither of us had ever encountered.

Emanating from a point some twenty nautical miles east of the eastern extremity of the Salisbury Plain Danger Area were a series of six or seven blips moving on a south-easterly track each being separated from the other by about six miles. At about forty miles from the point they appeared on radar they disappeared to be followed almost immediately by a replacement at the point of origin.

I put the FPS 6 Height Finder onto some returns to discover that they were about 3000 feet when they came into radar cover and climbing extremely rapidly so that, by the time they disappeared from radar, they were in excess of 60,000 feet. To climb to such a height in only forty miles was beyond the ability of any fighter aircraft at the time.

The phenomenon was witnessed by four civil and six military controllers on duty at the time. I called Heathrow Radar to discover that they, also, wee seeing a similar picture. The same situation prevailed in the Fighter Control Operations Rooms at RAF Neatishead. The three units involved operated different radars from each other thus different frequencies were in use. The weather forecast from the south of England was calm and sunny. I called the Met Office to confirm the strength of the upper winds to find that they were also relatively calm and were about fifty degrees off the southeasterly track of the blips; they also confirmed that there were not Met balloons/probes airborne at the time.

The winds were not strong enough, nor in the right direction, to cause the blips to travel on their observed track especially at the speed they were travelling. It was estimated that they were doing around 250 knots, but it must be borne in mind that this was a lateral speed as seen on radar – they must have been travelling very much faster to climb over 50,000 feet in less than forty miles. Equally the weather was such that there were no ´angels´ to affect the radar picture. "Angels" was a euphemism for, what were believed to be, ionozed pockets of air which, under very specific atmospheric conditions, were often seen on radar screens in those days: when seen, these ´angels´ traveled extremely slowly simply drifting along haphazard tracks. In those days all radars were ´raw´. That is to say that, whatever was within the coverage of the radar envelope and capable of bouncing (returning) the radar pulse back to the receiver, would be seen on the radar tube.

Today´s radars are computerised thus such interference is processed out so as not to affect the picture.

Looking around for some other method of checking what was going on, I discovered that a controller had two Canberras on frequency returning from Germany. One of the pilots agreed to investigate so I assumed control of his aircraft and, having confirmed he was in good visual met conditions, I vectored him on to the blips keeping him regularly updated on their position relative to the Canberra. The aircraft was flying at around nineteen thousand feel and when it got within a mile or so of one particular blip, the pilot reported, in a very agitated voice, that his radar had picked something up heading down his port side by about a quarter of a mile and ´climbing like the clappers´, it was on a reciprocal heading to the Canberra. The pilot admitted that neither he nor his navigator made any visual contact and confirmed that the weather conditions were such that they would have had no difficultly seeing something that close.

The whole episode lasted for twenty minutes or more before the blips stopped appearing. I impounded the R/T tapes and the Radar Video film and made appropriate entries in the log. Each person in the Ops Room who witnessed the incident was required to write a report. The Squadron Leader in charge of Operations collated the reports and informed higher authority. Within a couple of days I was interviewed in the Squadron Leader´s office by two men who were not identified to me. I, along with all the others in the Ops Room on the day in question, were told in no uncertain terms not to relate what we had seen until cleared to do so. About four years later I was serving at RAF Wattisham when the Station Commander asked to see me. I was told that he had a communication from the MoD about the incident at Sopley and that as ´nothing could be confirmed´ the situation was such that doubt would be cast on anything I said about it. I took this to mean that I was no longer to remain silent.

I am at a loss to explain what I, and many other people, saw. In those days aircraft could not climb at such a rate. To be seen on displays by three different ground radars, plus the airborne radar in the Canberra, is also a mystery. The weather conditions were very definitely VMC or Visual Met Conditions; the aircraft was clear of cloud by at least a thousand feet vertically and with a forward visibility of at least five nautical miles.

Alan Turner MBE 10th November 2007.

In Mr. Turner´s letter to be dated 10th November 2007 he apologised for not remembering the exact date of the incident and believes that there are those out there that will use this to discredit his account. I´ll leave you with his final comments on the incident; "Please use the information in any way you see fit; I stand by what I saw because I know what I saw."

Colleagues and I intend to submit a Freedom of Information request to the UK Ministry of Defence, and should we obtain any further information we will of course publish it due course.

Thanks must go to David Beezer for supplying the information and contact details and special thanks to Alan Turner MBE for allowing me to publish his account.

Philip Mantle is an international UFO researcher, author and broadcaster. He can be contacted via email at:

All photographs copyright Alan Turner MBE and reproduced with his kind permission.

NB: Wing Commander Turner will be making his first public presentation detailing the above events at this years International UFO Conference sponsored by UFO DATA Magazine ( Full details on their web site or email direct to: