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Zone 51
« le: 13 mai 2007 à 22:16:22 »

Aire 51 : Chronique d'une Base
Voila un article intéressant sur la fameuse zone, suivi du récit de David Adair (pote de Steven Greer), qui relate ses rencontres inhabituelles dans un coin de la dite zone. Puis,un article sur Aurora, repris du Top Secret Spécial hors-série sur l'arme ultime américaine, écrit par Jean-Marc(Roeder)
Un vrai bonheur de retrouver ça!  Bonne description imagée des capacités d'Aurora aux toutes premières heures de la guerre d'IRAK . on peut imaginer avec effroi que ces prouesses sont "préhistoires" maintenant! :roll:

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Re : Zone 51
« Réponse #1 le: 02 août 2007 à 18:29:54 »

Je regardais aujourd'hui une des rediffusions de la série JAG (Judge Advocate General qui se passe dans l'armée américaine et où celle si à certainement mis son gros nez). La scène se passe sur une base américaine, le capitaine Rab (qui travail maintenant pour la CIA)  se promène avec un de ses collègue. Une forte détonation survient, les 2 hommes lèvent la tête et l'on voit un avion, avançant rapidement, avec une trainée formée de boules de fumées. Le collègue de Rab lui dit que c'est un moteur à trainée de détonation (ou un truc du genre) et que c'est un avion qui atteint le mach 6. Puis il cite son nom : l'Aurora...

voilà, c'est pas très important aujourd'hui, mais la série étant ancienne, je trouve marrant de voir cet appareil....à la tv.
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Re : Zone 51
« Réponse #2 le: 03 août 2007 à 10:39:37 »

En effet, la série date de quelle année ?

C'est fou comme on s'aperçoit souvent que, en fait ,tout est dit en temps réel ,d'une façon ou d'une autre !
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« Réponse #3 le: 03 août 2007 à 17:12:55 »

elle a été tournée entre 1995 et 2005 et compte 10 saisons. L'épisode se situe dans la 9 saison, ça doit être le n° 4.

A noter que l'un des personnages était présenté au début de série comme un "fan" d'ovni et il me semble que plusieurs épisodes y font références, mais je n'en suis plus sur...
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« Réponse #4 le: 07 août 2007 à 10:56:43 »

Merci  :)  ,je croyais que c'était beaucoup plus ancien !
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Re : Zone 51
« Réponse #5 le: 11 février 2009 à 18:11:36 »

Je m'amuse de temps à autre avec le simulateur de vol de Google Earth.
Il y a deux ans, j'avais posé des balises pour bien repérer de loin les pistes de la zone 51 dans le but de d'y atterrir.
Les données des balises sont placées par Google earth en local sur le disque dur dans un fichier intitulé myplaces.kml
Chaque balise a une coordonnée très précise longitude/latitude.

Retrouvant aujourd'hui mes balises, je constate...ô surprise, que les pistes ont subi une rotation de l'ordre de 15°
Le marquage 14L situé avant le seuil de piste signifie une orientation située entre 140° et 149,99°.
Mais quand je mesure l'orientation par rapport au nord (par rapport à la grille obtenue en faisant ctrl+L), je trouve 157°, ce qui confirme le problème.
En d'autres termes, si cette piste était là ou elle devrait être, son marquage serait 15L, non pas 14L.

Bizarre bizarre. Vous avez dit bizarre ?
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Re : Zone 51
« Réponse #6 le: 12 février 2009 à 11:32:27 »

J'ai mesuré de nouveau avec une grande précision en utilisant un instrument adéquat : je confirme que le marquage de la piste 14L/32R ne correspond pas à leur orientation apparente sur Google earth. Même en tenant compte de la déclinaison magnétique, ça ne colle pas. http://www.aviationpassion.org/circulation.html#aerodromes [modération : lien brisé]
A l'évidence, ce qui apparait à fait l'objet soit de retouches, soit d'une synthèse graphique partielle ou totale.

Quoique on dise sur cette hase, elle est de toute façon une installation militaire sensible, et il ne m'apparait pas anormal qu'on en donne pas l'image réelle.
La question que je me pose, c'est plutôt pourquoi choisir l'option "réalité imaginaire" plutôt qu'un floutage comme on peut l'apercevoir par exemple en France pour les bases d'Orange et Dijon ? (à noter en passant que la base d'Istres, équipée de Mirage 2000-N emportant l'arme nucléaire dans sa composante aéroportée, apparaît non floutée !) 
Quelle logique dégager de tout ça 8) ?
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« Réponse #8 le: 06 septembre 2009 à 11:32:12 »

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The Road to Area 51


After decades of denying the facility's existence, five former insiders speak out

 

April 05, 2009 Issue 
 
by Annie Jacobsen

Area 51. It's the most famous military institution in the world that doesn't officially exist. If it did, it would be found about 100 miles outside Las Vegas in Nevada's high desert, tucked between an Air Force base and an abandoned nuclear testing ground.

Then again, maybe not-- the U.S. government refuses to say. You can't drive anywhere close to it, and until recently, the airspace overhead was restricted--all the way to outer space. Any mention of Area 51 gets redacted from official documents, even those that have been declassified for decades.

It has become the holy grail for conspiracy theorists, with UFOlogists positing that the Pentagon reverse engineers flying saucers and keeps extraterrestrial beings stored in freezers. Urban legend has it that Area 51 is connected by underground tunnels and trains to other secret facilities around the country. In 2001, Katie Couric told Today Show audiences that 7 percent of Americans doubt the moon landing happened--that it was staged in the Nevada desert. Millions of X-Files fans believe the truth may be "out there," but more likely it's concealed inside Area 51's Strangelove-esque hangars--buildings that, though confirmed by Google Earth, the government refuses to acknowledge.

The problem is the myths of Area 51 are hard to dispute if no one can speak on the record about what actually happened there. Well, now, for the first time, someone is ready to talk--in fact, five men are, and their stories rival the most outrageous of rumors. Colonel Hugh "Slip" Slater, 87, was commander of the Area 51 base in the 1960s. Edward Lovick, 90, featured in "What Plane?" in LA's March issue, spent three decades radar testing some of the world's most famous aircraft (including the U-2, the A-12 OXCART and the F-117). Kenneth Collins, 80, a CIA experimental test pilot, was given the silver star. Thornton "T.D." Barnes, 72, was an Area 51 special-projects engineer. And Harry Martin, 77, was one of the men in charge of the base's half-million-gallon monthly supply of spy-plane fuels. Here are a few of their best stories--for the record:

On May 24, 1963, Collins flew out of Area 51's restricted airspace in a top-secret spy plane code-named OXCART, built by Lockheed Aircraft Corporation. He was flying over Utah when the aircraft pitched, flipped and headed toward a crash. He ejected into a field of weeds.

Almost 46 years later, in late fall of 2008, sitting in a coffee shop in the San Fernando Valley, Collins remembers that day with the kind of clarity the threat of a national security breach evokes: "Three guys came driving toward me in a pickup. I saw they had the aircraft canopy in the back. They offered to take me to my plane." Until that moment, no civilian without a top-secret security clearance had ever laid eyes on the airplane Collins was flying. "I told them not to go near the aircraft. I said it had a nuclear weapon on-board." The story fit right into the Cold War backdrop of the day, as many atomic tests took place in Nevada. Spooked, the men drove Collins to the local highway patrol. The CIA disguised the accident as involving a generic Air Force plane, the F-105, which is how the event is still listed in official records.

As for the guys who picked him up, they were tracked down and told to sign national security nondisclosures. As part of Collins' own debriefing, the CIA asked the decorated pilot to take truth serum. "They wanted to see if there was anything I'd for-gotten about the events leading up to the crash." The Sodium Pento-thal experience went without a hitch--except for the reaction of his wife, Jane.

"Late Sunday, three CIA agents brought me home. One drove my car; the other two carried me inside and laid me down on the couch. I was loopy from the drugs. They handed Jane the car keys and left without saying a word." The only conclusion she could draw was that her husband had gone out and gotten drunk. "Boy, was she mad," says Collins with a chuckle.

At the time of Collins' accident, CIA pilots had been flying spy planes in and out of Area 51 for eight years, with the express mission of providing the intelligence to prevent nuclear war. Aerial reconnaissance was a major part of the CIA's preemptive efforts, while the rest of America built bomb shelters and hoped for the best.

"It wasn't always called Area 51," says Lovick, the physicist who developed stealth technology. His boss, legendary aircraft designer Clarence L. "Kelly" Johnson, called the place Paradise Ranch to entice men to leave their families and "rough it" out in the Nevada desert in the name of science and the fight against the evil empire. "Test pilot Tony LeVier found the place by flying over it," says Lovick. "It was a lake bed called Groom Lake, selected for testing because it was flat and far from anything. It was kept secret because the CIA tested U-2s there."

When Frances Gary Powers was shot down over Sverdlovsk, Russia, in 1960, the U-2 program lost its cover. But the CIA already had Lovick and some 200 scientists, engineers and pilots working at Area 51 on the A-12 OXCART, which would outfox Soviet radar using height, stealth and speed.

Col. Slater was in the outfit of six pilots who flew OXCART missions during the Vietnam War. Over a Cuban meat and cheese sandwich at the Bahama Breeze restaurant off the Las Vegas Strip, he says, "I was recruited for the Area after working with the CIA's classified Black Cat Squadron, which flew U-2 missions over denied territory in Mainland China. After that, I was told, 'You should come out to Nevada and work on something interesting we're doing out there.' "

Even though Slater considers himself a fighter pilot at heart--he flew 84 missions in World War II--the opportunity to work at Area 51 was impossible to pass up. "When I learned about this Mach-3 aircraft called OXCART, it was completely intriguing to me--this idea of flying three times the speed of sound! No one knew a thing about the program. I asked my wife, Barbara, if she wanted to move to Las Vegas, and she said yes. And I said, 'You won't see me but on the weekends,' and she said, 'That's fine!' " At this recollection, Slater laughs heartily. Barbara, dining with us, laughs as well. The two, married for 63 years, are rarely apart today.

"We couldn't have told you any of this a year ago," Slater says. "Now we can't tell it to you fast enough." That is because in 2007, the CIA began declassifying the 50-year-old OXCART program. Today, there's a scramble for eyewitnesses to fill in the information gaps. Only a few of the original players are left. Two more of them join me and the Slaters for lunch: Barnes, formerly an Area 51 special-projects engineer, with his wife, Doris; and Martin, one of those overseeing the OXCART's specially mixed jet fuel (regular fuel explodes at extreme height, temperature and speed), with his wife, Mary. Because the men were sworn to secrecy for so many decades, their wives still get a kick out of hearing the secret tales.

Barnes was married at 17 (Doris was 16). To support his wife, he became an electronics wizard, buying broken television sets, fixing them up and reselling them for five times the original price. He went from living in bitter poverty on a Texas Panhandle ranch with no electricity to buying his new bride a dream home before he was old enough to vote. As a soldier in the Korean War, Barnes demonstrated an uncanny aptitude for radar and Nike missile systems, which made him a prime target for recruitment by the CIA--which indeed happened when he was 22. By 30, he was handling nuclear secrets.

"The agency located each guy at the top of a certain field and put us together for the programs at Area 51," says Barnes. As a security precaution, he couldn't reveal his birth name--he went by the moniker Thunder. Coworkers traveled in separate cars, helicopters and airplanes. Barnes and his group kept to themselves, even in the mess hall. "Our special-projects group was the most classified team since the Manhattan Project," he says.

Harry Martin's specialty was fuel. Handpicked by the CIA from the Air Force, he underwent rigorous psychological and physical tests to see if he was up for the job. When he passed, the CIA moved his family to Nevada. Because OXCART had to refuel frequently, the CIA kept supplies at secret facilities around the globe. Martin often traveled to these bases for quality-control checks. He tells of preparing for a top-secret mission from Area 51 to Thule, Greenland. "My wife took one look at me in these arctic boots and this big hooded coat, and she knew not to ask where I was going."

So, what of those urban legends--the UFOs studied in secret, the underground tunnels connecting clandestine facilities? For decades, the men at Area 51 thought they'd take their secrets to the grave. At the height of the Cold War, they cultivated anonymity while pursuing some of the country's most covert projects. Conspiracy theories were left to popular imagination. But in talking with Collins, Lovick, Slater, Barnes and Martin, it is clear that much of the folklore was spun from threads of fact.

As for the myths of reverse engineering of flying saucers, Barnes offers some insight: "We did reverse engineer a lot of foreign technology, including the Soviet MiG fighter jet out at the Area"--even though the MiG wasn't shaped like a flying saucer. As for the underground-tunnel talk, that, too, was born of truth. Barnes worked on a nuclear-rocket program called Project NERVA, inside underground chambers at Jackass Flats, in Area 51's backyard. "Three test-cell facilities were connected by railroad, but everything else was underground," he says.

And the quintessential Area 51 conspiracy--that the Pentagon keeps captured alien spacecraft there, which they fly around in restricted airspace? Turns out that one's pretty easy to debunk. The shape of OXCART was unprece-dented, with its wide, disk-like fuselage designed to carry vast quantities of fuel. Commercial pilots cruising over Nevada at dusk would look up and see the bottom of OXCART whiz by at 2,000-plus mph. The aircraft's tita-nium body, moving as fast as a bullet, would reflect the sun's rays in a way that could make anyone think, UFO.

In all, 2,850 OXCART test flights were flown out of Area 51 while Slater was in charge. "That's a lot of UFO sightings!" Slater adds. Commercial pilots would report them to the FAA, and "when they'd land in California, they'd be met by FBI agents who'd make them sign nondisclosure forms." But not everyone kept quiet, hence the birth of Area 51's UFO lore. The sightings incited uproar in Nevada and the surrounding areas and forced the Air Force to open Project BLUE BOOK to log each claim.

Since only a few Air Force officials were cleared for OXCART (even though it was a joint CIA/USAF project), many UFO sightings raised internal military alarms. Some generals believed the Russians might be sending stealth craft over American skies to incite paranoia and create widespread panic of alien invasion. Today, BLUE BOOK findings are housed in 37 cubic feet of case files at the National Archives--74,000 pages of reports. A keyword search brings up no mention of the top-secret OXCART or Area 51.

Project BLUE BOOK was shut down in 1969--more than a year after OXCART was retired. But what continues at America's most clandestine military facility could take another 40 years to disclose.

ANNIE JACOBSEN is an investigative reporter who sat for more than 500 interviews after she broke the story on terrorists probing commercial airliners. When she isn't digging into intelligence issues for the likes of the National Review, she's snapping together Legos with her two boys.


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Re : Zone 51
« Réponse #9 le: 06 septembre 2009 à 13:19:36 »

Merci André pour la carte, ce qu'il faudrait c'est une webcam au-dessus de la Zone 51.  ;)
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« Réponse #10 le: 06 septembre 2009 à 13:38:43 »

Merci André pour la carte, ce qu'il faudrait c'est une webcam au-dessus de la Zone 51.  ;)

N'oublions pas qu'il y a d'autres bases dans le même genre, et à mon avis les militaires sont bien contents que toute l'attention ou presque se focalise sur une seule base. Ca permet de mieux cacher le reste.

Un peu comme Roswell, qui occulte tout les autres crashs...
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Re : Zone 51
« Réponse #11 le: 09 septembre 2009 à 10:22:07 »

bonjour,

j ai appris l existence de cette zone 51 il y a bon nombre d'année, et pourtant je viens de decouvrir il y a peu que le nom de cette zone est relatif aux cartes geographiques, et donc la zone 51 est situé à coté de la zone 52!!

quand je pense à indiana jones 4 ou on voyait peint dans le hangar le n° 51  ;D ;D ;D trop drole  :D

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Re : Zone 51
« Réponse #12 le: 06 octobre 2009 à 22:50:06 »

Je ne sais pas si ca a été posté ?



Ca parait assez "incroyable".
C'est louche.
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Re : Zone 51
« Réponse #13 le: 30 novembre 2009 à 19:35:59 »



Un film sur la zone 51, par le réalisateur de Paranomal Activity, le carton du moment en terme de film d'horreur :

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La curiosité de trois adolescents les mène vers la légendaire et mystérieuse zone 51, une base secrète de l'air Force située en plein désert du Nevada.


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Oren Peli pénètre dans la Zone 51.
Le mercredi 07 octobre 2009
Vous n'avez peut être pas encore entendu parler de Paranormal Activity, l'événement en terme d'épouvante. Et bien ça ne serait tarder et le réalisateur du film, Oren Peli, travaille déjà sur un nouveau projet, Area 51.



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Paramount takes US rights to red-hot Oren Peli's Area 51

29 November, 2009 | By Jeremy Kay

Paramount Pictures has reunited with Paranormal Activity (pictured) director Oren Peli, paying high seven figures for US rights to the in-demand film-maker’s alien thriller follow-up Area 51.


IM Global CEO Stuart Ford, CAA, Incentive Filmed Entertainment chairman David Molner and attorneys Linda Lichter and Jamie Feldman closed the deal with the studio last week following a protracted negotiation process that had dragged on for close to a month.

Paramount beat out rival bids from DreamWorks and Lionsgate. Summit Entertainment had also been in the race but withdrew earlier in the process.

IM Global recently sold out international rights to Area 51 at AFM, where buyers scarcely needed the incentive of an imminent domestic deal to drive business in the wake of Paranormal Activity’s stunning US box office. Ford licensed Area 51 to Momentum in the UK, Concorde in Germany, Euro TV in France, Zelta in Spain, Village Roadshow in Australia and New Zealand, PlayArte in Latin America, and Alliance in Canada, among others.

Ford previously sold out the ultra low-budget Paranormal Activity at AFM 2008 and in a masterstroke sealed the domestic deal with DreamWorks after inviting executives to a screening that was packed out with teenagers. Paranormal Activity — made for a mere $15,000 — grossed more than $106m in North America this year and is on the cusp of its international roll-out, having just opened this weekend in the UK and Spain.

Incentive and the Aramid Entertainment Fund fully financed Area 51, which was written and directed by Peli. Plot details remain under wraps, however the title refers to the infamous top-secret military site in the Nevadan desert that for years has been the subject of UFO and other conspiracy theories.

Area 51 is in post-production and it is understood Paramount is eager to schedule a release as soon as possible in 2010. Paranormal Activity producer Jason Blum produced through his Blumhouse Productions and Steven Schneider of Room 101 served as executive producer alongside Ford and Amir Zbeda.

“Moviegoers everywhere demanded to see Oren Peli’s spectacular debut and we are excited to show them what he’s created next,” Paramount production president Adam Goodman said.

“We are certainly happy to continue working with the agile and talented production, marketing and distribution teams at Paramount that made Paranormal Activity such a remarkable success,” Peli and Blum said.

“These films show that real franchises can be successfully launched from the independent side of the business – not something the marketplace necessarily believed five years ago,” Incentive’s chairman David Molner said. “As financiers, we’re very lucky to create value in partnership with major distributors like Paramount Pictures and the enviable talents of Jason, Oren, and IM Global.”

“With the international distribution already set up on the film, bringing Paramount onboard after they did such distinguished work on Paranormal Activity is the perfect finale, and most important piece in the jigsaw,” Ford added. “We’re very proud to be in business with Adam and his team on another Oren Peli movie.”                     




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Re : Zone 51
« Réponse #14 le: 29 décembre 2009 à 23:28:38 »

une vidéo sur la zone 51 que je n'avais jamais visionnée:

Area 51 - Strange activity
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